Prof Darshan Singh engages in Guru Nindya – A TV Discussion

ragi darshanUS: Crossing all limits of blasphemy controversial ragi Prof Darshan Singh concocts a fictitious story and uses derogatory language for Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib and his personality.

Darshan Singh says “Guru Sahib went to a prostitute and the prostitute tried to lure him. Guru Sahib thought if he establishes relationship with her then the one who will be born out of that relationship will be illegitimate and if he doesn’t establish a relationship then she will get him beat-up  by the public by shouting ‘thief thief’….Guru Sahib leaves his slippers and robe and starts running. He is caught by the public who starts beating him up. Someone gets hold of Guru Sahib’s beard and someone removes his turban and starts hurling slippers on Guru Sahib’s head”

No such story with the words used by Darshan Singh appears in any book/scripture of the world!


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Source: Patshahi.org

21 comments

  1. Jjpapersbhilai

     prof sahib na jo sawawa keti ha or jo jodh singh na sawa  keti ha sari sangat jandi ha .kisi nu dasan di jarurat nahi ha ki bani de kinu kine samjh ha.muda aa haga ha ki shri guru granth sahib ji da barabar hor koi granth da prakash nahi hona chahida.

  2. Jjpapersbhilai

     prof sahib na jo sawawa keti ha or jo jodh singh na sawa  keti ha sari sangat jandi ha .kisi nu dasan di jarurat nahi ha ki bani de kinu kine samjh ha.muda aa haga ha ki shri guru granth sahib ji da barabar hor koi granth da prakash nahi hona chahida.

  3. Muda : U R a Such Jurk UR Braine is a Small Pea ,If I ever see u I will throw med on ur Face, Muda’s Ignorant&Stuped,Better Keep UR Mouth SUT, GET IT.

  4. Blin dfollowers can listen to the audio given here to knoow what this rogue was upto

    Direct link: http://patshahi10.or…0Singh%20Ji.mp3

    Some notes on what the speaker said:

    It should be noted that he (Joginder Singh Sahni) never calls Guru Nanak “Guru Nanak”.

    He says Guru Nanak never gave anyone a gaddi.

    They don’t have greater faith in Shabad Guru. THey don’t believe in Guru Granth Sahib being prepared by Guru Arjan Dev ji, nor Akal Takhat by Pa: 6, nor Khande bate da amrit.

    These articles aren’t written on a one-off basis, but rather on planned basis.

    Ragi is saying the “new ardas”

    They say there is no such word as “Sant”. Sant Anari.

    They say they want to put the SRM into practice, but the SRM says you can’t modify the first pauri of ardas.

    He says there is no proof in history of which banis were read during the first amrit sanchar. That the current nitnem isn’t same as Pa: 10 times.

    So, was he defrauding the panth all this time? WHy didn’t he do anything while being Jathedar?

    3 things big in Sikhi: Ardas, Nitnem, Amrit. So he’s targetting all 3.

    They’re saying there’s no proof 10th Guru took amrit. Trying to destabilise the whole tradition by which people have given their heads to Sikhs. No such thing as Amritdhari.

    Yes, Panth can modify small things. But not Amrit.

    Sure, they could create a new faith, but not Sikhi.

    Faith is the basis of every religion. We have faith in bani. If there is no faith, there is no religion.

    They also say you can only do kirtan of Gurbani. There has always been kirtan of Dasam Bani in Harimander Sahib.

    Ragi says “I didn’t know anything before, now I do” when he’s 70 years old. But bani says a 70-year old is senile. He should just sit at home.

    In 1984 when the nation was bloodied, he was acting in the Nimmo film with Preeti Sapru and telling made-up stories regarding Hemkunt Sahib. He said Guru Teg Bahadur was doing tapasia there.

    The Ragi says if someone is reading this Dasam Bani that his nose doesn’t work. Yet he did kirtan of the same Dasam Bani. From Chandi Charitar, Zafarnama, Krishnavtar, Bachittar Natak. And the 268th Charittar. From Sarab Loh Granth. Apni Katha.

    Amoung the Singhs, he use to say a piece of paper is useless without the stamp of the Government; so too, you need the stamp of the Guru.

    On JusTV he said, that a piece of silver that has a stamp becomes currency. But without a stamp, the silver still has value. (I.e., being mona is OK.) Doing a U-Turn is very easy for him.

    Now he’s saying a new bad thing: He says one charittar is in relation to 10th Guru. That Guru Sahib went to some woman, etc. But there is no place in that charittar that mentions Guru Gobind Singh ji.

    The phrase “Sikh-Sakha” also comes in Gurbani (Kabir Ji’s sloke). It doesn’t refer solely to the Sikhs of the Satguru. The charittar also talks about the woman’s “Sikhs”. Meaning her men, employees, etc.

    He used to read lines of charittars (“Nij nari”) and get money. Now he sees money in opposing it. But he was wrong then too because it was all about money.

    He’s saying some writings of Guru Gobind Singh’s could be OK if we deem it in accordance with Gurmat. So that means the whole panth should just dance according to his whims. If he says such-and-such a bani isn’t bani, then we are supposed to agree.

    The method of destroying a kaum is to create panic, then confusion, then fighting.

    These people have been around for a long time. They just write a book, say sorry, then write another book.

    Now they’re objecting to Bhai Gurdas Ji. The Kaaba turned around in Mecca. But the Ragi’s fellows are saying kaaba didn’t turn, Panja Sahib is fake, 5th Guru didn’t sit on a hot iron plate, etc.

    Now he’s saying that Panthic matters should be discussed in open, not in closed doors. OK, so when he was Jathedar, why did he give such a strict punishment to Surjit Singh Barnala? Putting a board around his neck, tying him to columns, etc. In the Ragi’s hukums he has said no roti-beti di sanjh until he (Barnala) asks for forgiveness. Why didn’t Barnala have the option to discuss the matter in the open?

    As big as someone thinks of himself, their consequences are also big for the Panth. You won’t be saved.

    Regarding Parkash: You can’t put the Dasam Granth in your lap. Even the Suraj Prakash is parkashed when doing katha. No question that the Guru is Guru Granth Sahib.

    But when we also give respect to other religions’ granths, why not Dasam Granth? The nitnem banis are from Dasam Granth.

    Recognise the people who will say anything for money. They are leeches and we need to remove them from our body.

  5. Ragi darshan singh has been called to akal takhat for balsphemy against Guru Gobind singh sahib. He was wrong in interpreting charitra 21,22 and 23.This is what happens when people who have neither faith nor education start passing comments on something that they have neither read nor have ability to comprehend.

    Everyone with some common sense will understand the difference between first and third person narration. I request silly followers of Ragi Darshan instead of making hue and cry, try to understand that it was third person narration and a story that existed in ancient literature.The author is announcing from roof top at end of every story that it is a pakhayan. Pakhyan is nver history.

    People following heretic ragi need to wake up.

  6. Those who think that they are true saints and do not indulge in sex are fooling others. Sikh is a house holder and in married life sex is part and parcel of life.

    What Guru sahib is advising in the stories of Charitropakhayan is one should not indulge in extra marital sex.That is to be avoided and is listed as a one of the four bajar kurehits for a khalsa.

    This is the moral of story that is being attached wrongly to guru sahib’s life. Guru sahib has advised his khalsa by telling such stories. It is sheer ignorance not to focus on moral of story.

  7. Dr. Dhullu,

    In response to your question,
    “2 Will any one who supports Dasam Granth read this story to their daughter or sister?”
    “3 Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji leave any instruction that suggest we should follow any Garanth other than Shri Guru Garanth Sahib?”

    Isn’t Guru Gobind Singh ji our father too? Our real father? Since you have asked, please read these shabads in Sri Adi Guru Granth Sahib ji:

    sasurr suheeaa kiv karee nivan n jaae thhanee ||
    O mother-in-law, how can I bow? Because of my stiff nipples, I cannot bow.
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji
    Salok Vaaraan Thay Vadheek
    1410

    sae bhee dtehadhae ddit(h) mai mu(n)dhh n garab thhanee ||1||
    – I have seen them come crumbling down. O bride, do not be so proud of your nipples. ||1||
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji
    Salok Vaaraan Thay Vadheek
    1410

    paarajaath gopee lai aaeiaa bi(n)dhraaban mehi ra(n)g keeaa ||
    He brought the Elysian Tree for his milk-maid, and revelled in Brindaaban.
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji
    Raag Aasaa
    470

    Let’s be honest, Kaam is one of the biggest vices we have to protect ourselves on the path to Waheguru, and Guru Sahib is being honest with us. I expect more open-mindedness from a doctor at least.

    “4 Why all Takhats do not have the same practice?”

    There was parkash of Sri Dasam Guru Ka Granth sahib at Sri Akal Takht till 1920; however, it was removed after the British took control over the Sikh instituion through SGPC. You may confirm this with any LEGIT scholar. I hope you came to get answers to your question, not promoting your pre-existing beliefs.

    GS

  8. Dhallu ji

    You said that you do not believe that there were two beers during Guru sahib’s time.I have given you link for that and it says there were.

    What wrong i have committed in doing that? You need more let me know.

    There is a saying think before you speak.

  9. Dr Nirmal Singh Dhallu

    Arvind Kour Ji

    Stick to the argument, if you can not answer it is ok.

    Regards

    Dr N S Dhallu

  10. Dhallu ji

    I have your email sent to me.I wish you had some knowledge about Dasam granth from your own sources before asking child like questions.

    Tomorrow you may say that there is no proof if your great grandfather was ever born? For people with silly arguments there is no answer as their job is to spread doubts and confuse others.

    See the link to have glimpse of one beer at Patna sahib. the other beer is hazuri bir and that is held by a private sikh house.

    http://patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=245:sri-dasam-granth-beerh-1698-ad-takhat-sri-patna-sahib-&catid=62:historic-beerhs&Itemid=106

  11. Dhallu ji

    I have your reply by email forwarded to me. Do not cut and paste opinion of a propaganda site designed for anti sikh activities.I am asking you where are Hindu stories promoted in Dasam granth? You have failed to provide any.That shows you do not know what is written in it and indulging in mischievous propaganda here.

    I am citing some verses from Dasam granth to rebut your propaganda and prove that dasam granth is the only scripture of sikhs that uses very strong language against Hindu demigods.
    That is the reason it has to face propaganda of right wing Hindus and their agents.

    ਕਯੋਂ ਕਹੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਿਧ ਹੈ ਕਿਹ ਕਾਜ ਤੇ ਬੱਧਕ ਬਾਣ ਲਗਾਯੋ ॥ ਅਉਰ ਕੁਲੀਨ ਉਧਾਰਤ ਜੋ ਕਿਹ ਤੇ ਅਪਨੋ ਕੁਲ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥
    कयों कहु क्रिशन क्रिपानिध है किह काज ते ब्धक बाण लगायो ॥ अउर कुलीन उधारत जो किह ते अपनो कुल नासु करायो ॥

    Krishna himself is considered the treasure of Grace, then why did the hunter shoot his arrow at him ? He has been described as redeeming the clans of others then he caused the destruction of his own clan;

    Dasam granth

    Also Guru ji advises us

    ਕਹੂੰ ਲੈ ਠੋਕ ਬਧੇ ਉਰ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੌ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਕਹਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਸੀਤ ਕੈ ਬੀਚ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥
    कहूं लै ठोक बधे उर ठाकुर काहूं महेश कौ एस बखानयो ॥ काहूं कहयो हरि मंदर मै हरि काहूं मसीत कै बीच प्रमानयो ॥
    Someone has tied the stone-idol around his neck and someone has accepted Shiva as the Lord; someone considers the Lord within the temple or the mosque;

    ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨੇ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੨॥
    काहूं ने राम कहयो क्रिशना कहु काहूं मनै अवतारन मानयो ॥ फोकट धरम बिसार सभै करतार ही कउ करता जीअ जानयो ॥१२॥
    Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator.12.

  12. Dhallu

    You write nonsense without knowing anything about Dasam granth. it is people like you who do not know a word about Dasam bani but pass scathing remarks about this.

    Can you quote any Hindu story from this granth that supports Hindu concept of God. This is my challenege to people like you who masquerade as sikh but in reality they are not sikhs.You do not know anything about SGGS also leave aside Dasam granth.

  13. Nallu wrote

    “”Even according to por-Dasam Granth historians: the granth existed in two volumes. It appaers that first part is Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s synthesis and second part is stories from hinduism that may have been recited in his Darbar.”””

    Dhallu ji

    The above is outrightly lie.This also shows you do not know anything about history of Dasam granth. Either you are indulging in propaganda here or has read lies spread on internet.

    Dasam Granth was compiled during Guru sahib’s life.There were two birs compiled in 1696 and 1698.

    Coming to your point , can you post a refrence where it is written that

    1) Dasam granth was in two volumes.

    2) Read dasam granth first before writing that it has hindu stories. This is the only granth that rejects Hindu practices, heir avatars in the strongest language.

    Please provide refrences to us for above.This will expose you finally.

  14. Dr Nirmal Singh Dhallu

    Sat Sri Akal

    “A sikh is a saint soldier. When a sikh is baptized five banis are read .Three are out of Dasam granth. Ardas is from dasam granth. So both granths are important.

    Sikh’sultimate goal is to become a khalsa sikh.” – Arvind Kaur

    Bibi Arvind Kaur Ji, I agree with you. The Banis that you refer to are not in dispute. But this does not answer my questions.

    Even according to por-Dasam Granth historians: the granth existed in two volumes. It appaers that first part is Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s synthesis and second part is stories from hinduism that may have been recited in his Darbar.

    Regards

    Dr N S Dhallu

  15. Darshan ragi is a singer of hymns. he is not philosopher. he can sings gurbani but has no intellect to interpret it.

    He tried to interpret dasam granth. he made a mockery of himself.His silly followers instead of defending this bozzo should accept reality.The reality is indicated in the video below.

    He was called to explain his view point he failed.

    http://patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=316:controversial-ragi-prof-darshan-singh-talks-about-his-blasphemous-remarks-on-jus-punjabi-tv&catid=48:tv-interviews&Itemid=65

  16. Dhallu needs to know what is topic of controversy. Darshan singh has uttered story that is not in dasam granth. That is the areson he ahs been called to akal takhat.

    Such fake self made scholars do not have abiltiy to understand what is a pkahyan? Had they known the meaning of pakhyayan they would not be arguing like fools.

    Similar is the case of Ragi darshan singh. He is 10 grade yet writes himself a professor. Had he been a real professor he might understand pakhayan.But he is fake and phoney professor.God save sikhs from such illeterate persons.

  17. Dhallu ji has asked some questions.

    1 Does this kind of storey (see translation on these pages) belong in a Garanth?

    Answer

    This type of story as recited by Darshan Singh does not appear in any granth and that includes Dasam granth. That is the main issue. Why should darshan singh recite a story that is not found anywhere.

    2 Will any one who supports Dasam Granth read this story to their daughter or sister?

    answer

    When contents of story uttered by Darshan singh Ragi are not found in Dasam granth then above question is irrelevant.

    3 Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji leave any instruction that suggest we should follow any Garanth other than Shri Guru Garanth Sahib?

    Answer

    Not in written form.Sikhs recognise SGGS as their Guru. At the same time sikhs have bani of tenth master.Bani of all Gurus is equally important.

    4 Why all Takhats do not have the same practice?

    answer

    Takhat is not a Gurudwara. if you do not know this read sikh literaure.At takhats weapons are displayed at central spot.

    5 Is one not a Sikh if he only follows Shri Guru Garanth Sahib?

    Answer

    A sikh is a saint soldier. When a sikh is baptized five banis are read .Three are out of Dasam granth. Ardas is from dasam granth. So both granths are important.

    Sikh’sultimate goal is to become a khalsa sikh.

  18. Dr Nirmal Singh Dhallu

    Sat Sri Akal

    My questions are:

    1 Does this kind of storey (see translation on these pages) belong in a Garanth?
    2 Will any one who supports Dasam Granth read this story to their daughter or sister?
    3 Did Guru Gobind Singh Ji leave any instruction that suggest we should follow any Garanth other than Shri Guru Garanth Sahib?
    4 Why all Takhats do not have the same practice?
    5 Is one not a Sikh if he only follows Shri Guru Garanth Sahib?

    With respect

    Dr N S Dhallu

  19. Ragi Prof. Darshan Singh is not a Singh(sikh) and he should not call him self Ragi or prof.and he should change his name to darshan ram rhim. he should not be allow to attand any sangat pandal or should not be entre any GURU GHAR.

    regard

    gurmeet singh

  20. This is what dr Jodh singh ahs to say about this uneducated ragi for misinterpreting Bani of tenth master.

    DR. JODH SINGH BLASTS CONTROVERSIAL RAGI DARSHAN SINGH’S BLASPHEMY

    22-10-2009

    I have gone through your e-mail and specifically Prof. Darshan Singh’s explanation of the 21st Story of Charitropakhyan in the Dasam Granth. The story teller no where mentions the name of Guru Gobind Singh. The minister of the king is telling the story of some wealthy lady of a moneyed person who has gone mad in the so-called lust for the other wealthier person who is also a pretty moneyed man. He is taken to that lady who tries to seduce him with her actions and offers of bodily pleasure. The man refuses and tries to convince her that such improper relationship is not desired to be made by anyone. He rather quotes many examples from ancient Indian history and folklore. He gives the examples of Inder, Chander, Ravan, Kauravs, who all perished because of this lust. However she was bent upon fulfilling her lust but the person before her never relented. She raises the shouts of ‘thief, thief’ listening which people gathered and the Raja (wealthy person) ran away. The wealthy person was surrounded and that wealthy lady started crying “brother, brother” to which people understood that her brother was the thief. They got hold of him and beaten him hollow. He was sent to Jail and ultimately that lady consumed by passion and lust also had to go to sleep. Thus that Raja like wealthy person came to his residence and the brother of that passionate lady was sent behind bars. Nobody could understand the mystery and her brother was taken as a thief. How Darshan Singh has explained that wealthy person as Guru Gobind Singh only he knows and whom he is telling the prostitute God knows. Nowhere in the text, word bharua has been used. Nowhere the word Vesva has been used in this story 21-23 of Charitropakhyan.

    The Raja was that wealthy person who has been shown as beaten and not the Guru or such person. If we accept this story in toto then as is given in the beginning one will have to accept Guru Gobind Singh as a follower of Tantar Mantar and the Goddess Bhagwati which is far far away from his ideology and life style. Darshan Singh has already exposed himself before the Sikh Sangat who very well knows that for whole his earlier life Darshan Singh was minting money by singing the bani of complete Dasam Granth and now since going against the Dasam Granth is giving him lot of money he is against it. Here in India we know many scholars who have changed their loyalty when the blow of the wind and sometime they rejected the authorship of Dasam Granth and soon after with they got some money from some Sant they readily accepted Guru Gobind Singh as the author of Dasam Granth.

    However I want to add one thing more that this from Story No.21 the Sikh Panth has picked up the one deadliest breeches (bajjar kurahit) of the prohibition of sexual relationship with other than one’s own spouse.

    With deep regards,

    Yours sincerely,

  21. This heretic ragi has been singing dasam Granth banis all his life to make money. he ahs grown old and now he making money by condemning same bani that he had sung all his life.

    His academic qualification is matric i.e. 10 standard. How he writes the title of Professor? That itself shows that he is an impersonator. It is a sad state of affairs of sikh community that a petty singer of gurbani who changed enormous amount for doing keertan was amde jathedar of akal takhat as he did not deserve this. Now he is fooling sikhs by propagating against their scriptures.

    This traitor ragi shopuld be excommunicated without any delay. Already there is a massive call for his excommunication in USA Gurudwaras.